Robert Brown MLC

From Robert Brown on the Ammunition Bill

From  the Shooters and Fishers Party

To all those interested in the ridiculous “Ammo Bill”…
Well….. just when we thought this stupid “Ammo Bill” could get no worse, we received a tip-off
that the Firearms Registry were in panic mode altering the Permits to Acquire forms as a result of an….errrr…
….”error” (?) in the drafting of the Bill. (See Borsak’s Question without Notice, and the Police Minister’s dismissive reply below)
The Bill contains a provision whereby a Permit-to-Acquire ( PTA) can be used as evidence that you “intend” to purchase
a firearm, and therefore satisfies the proof needed to buy ammunition for that calibre/cartridge.
PTAs don’t currently have any designated firearm listed, just the category.
So now, the clever people at the Registry, intend to require that you SPECIFY what you will buy !!!
Not one of these people has ever gone through the process of buying a firearm, particularly a new firearm,
in a firearms dealership with HUNDREDS of firearms on display.
The stupid “28 day” PTA bullshit is bad enough as it is. You MAY or may not have chosen a particular individual rifle,
but more often, you just know that you want a particular Category, but at the time you actually have your PTA,
you may well have missed the sale, changed your mind, seen a better deal, or otherwise be flexible as to what you will buy.
Then we have the second-hand market, and the various on-line sites that abound. In those cases, most shooters get the
PTA first, then take the 60 days available to hunt for a “deal”.
Under what is now proposed, you will need to specify calibre and cartridge when you lodge the PTA…….
and if you change your mind, that means another $30, another PTA…. and probably another 28 days.
YOUR letters , and YOUR pressure on the marginal Liberals, and all the Nats, has definitely got the Government
into the “delay” mode.
Particularly now that Richard Torbay and Greg Piper have made it clear to the Government that they will “force” a
recording of the votes….thus exposing all the big-noting Nats that are…. errr… “threatening” to cross the floor”.
So please….. if any of you 5,200 souls on this newsletter list, haven’t yet emailed, phoned, or better
still…visited….your Local Member, please, please….
…… it NOW.
We have the Nats. and the “marginal” Libs ( and some of the Labor people too) on the ropes, lets put them on the mat, eh?
Here is the list of your Local Members.

Hansard Question and Answer:
The Hon. ROBERT BORSAK: My question without notice is directed to the Minister for Police and Emergency Services. Is the Minister aware that the Firearms Registry or police ministry, in anticipation of the passage of the ammunition bill through the lower House, are urgently changing the permits to acquire issued under the Firearms Act 1996 so that the calibre is specified on the permit? Does the Minister or the Firearms Registry understand that purchasers under the permit to acquire system may not know which particular calibre they will end up purchasing? Does this change mean that the Firearms Registry will have to revert to manual processing of all permits to acquire, and what effect would this have on the cost of running the Firearms Registry and the inherent delay of processing these permits?

The Hon. MICHAEL GALLACHER: It is good to have members of the Shooters and Fishers Party and the Christian Democratic Party who are prepared to ask questions during question time. Sadly, the coalition partners of the Labor Party, The Greens, must work in shifts as sometimes they turn up and sometimes they do not. Be that as it may, I thank the member for his question and for his genuine interest and participation in this issue. I will seek advice from the registry about the matters that he has raised. I would like to think that I will be in a position to respond before the end of the day, but if I am not I assure the member that I will obtain an answer as soon as possible. Again I recognise that at least half the crossbench members are in the Chamber for question time.
The Hon. MICHAEL GALLACHER: Earlier in question time I was asked a question by the Hon. Robert Borsak in relation to the Firearms Registry. I can indicate to the House that individuals permitted to acquire a firearm make a decision in a carefully considered way, as the member knows. Surely that would include knowing which calibre firearm an individual intends to purchase. As members are aware, there is always a transition phase in the implementation of a new policy.
In relation to the changes to permits to acquire I am advised that the NSW Police Force already has an implementation plan in place to transition to any new regulatory requirements brought about as a result of the Government’s legislation. As the Hon. Robert Borsak would also be aware, the bill is scheduled to commence upon proclamation to ensure that appropriate systems are in place to ensure compliance with legislation. I thank the member for his question and I hope that answer satisfies his inquiry.

Robert Brown, MLC
Shooters and Fishers Party
Parliament House Sydney
Phone 02 9230 3059

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